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Vladimir (Calderdale), on 17/06/2008 at 17:23
Linda wrote:
Meryl wrote:
I think there are far too many people on this overpopulated planet of ours. We should adopt a policy like China and just allow one child per household. We have drained most of the earths resources, petrol, water, trees, crops, now prices are rocketing, property is in decline, we still build more for more people to live in and we accept people into this country so easily and they feed off our benefit system, the NHS can not afford to deal with the load. Have a thought for a moment, we are human beings living in this world, we govern all that happens to this planet, species are getting extinct due to our actions, countryside is diminishing, petrol is running out, prices going up, fuel prices going up, food prices going up, everything is going up but not wages! So what are we to do? We cant blame Gordon Brown for everything can we - even he is human after all. We are all responsible for acting appropriately, recycle, behave, educate each other, develop better policing, better society equals better country. So the rest is down to us all. Finally anti- social behaviour is a key factor we must all consider today, we should reintroduce discipline back into schools give the teachers the power to discipline in the appropriate way, some children seem to think they can do what they want to day, gang wars are building more and more, killing innocent people and for what? We need action - we can call our government to address these worrying facts but we want it immediately!
Hi Meryl,
I think your idea of doing things like China where they allow one child per family is fantastic, however, for that to work in this country, there needs to be discipline, not only from the young people but also from the politicians. China is all about discipline which is something that this country does not have. I also agree that this world is in ruins and I blame human behaviour. If you think of birds they migrate when they are ready but nothing changes they don't suddenly change their habits when they feel like it. The point I am trying to make is that humans are supposed to be intellegent because we can talk, reason etc; and this is why we are superior to animals. Animals are intelligent quite ok but the errors that humans make their way of thinking and reasoning are unbelievable. The idea behind filling the world with people is so that we can all get along, work together and use our intelligence to improve the world
Hi Why do you think that humans are superior? Only because we are capable of growing beyond natural limits and destroy the environment and animals can't?
Linda (Milton Keynes), on 13/06/2008 at 14:59
Meryl wrote:
I think there are far too many people on this overpopulated planet of ours. We should adopt a policy like China and just allow one child per household. We have drained most of the earths resources, petrol, water, trees, crops, now prices are rocketing, property is in decline, we still build more for more people to live in and we accept people into this country so easily and they feed off our benefit system, the NHS can not afford to deal with the load. Have a thought for a moment, we are human beings living in this world, we govern all that happens to this planet, species are getting extinct due to our actions, countryside is diminishing, petrol is running out, prices going up, fuel prices going up, food prices going up, everything is going up but not wages! So what are we to do? We cant blame Gordon Brown for everything can we - even he is human after all. We are all responsible for acting appropriately, recycle, behave, educate each other, develop better policing, better society equals better country. So the rest is down to us all. Finally anti- social behaviour is a key factor we must all consider today, we should reintroduce discipline back into schools give the teachers the power to discipline in the appropriate way, some children seem to think they can do what they want to day, gang wars are building more and more, killing innocent people and for what? We need action - we can call our government to address these worrying facts but we want it immediately!
Hi Meryl,
I think your idea of doing things like China where they allow one child per family is fantastic, however, for that to work in this country, there needs to be discipline, not only from the young people but also from the politicians. China is all about discipline which is something that this country does not have. I also agree that this world is in ruins and I blame human behaviour. If you think of birds they migrate when they are ready but nothing changes they don't suddenly change their habits when they feel like it. The point I am trying to make is that humans are supposed to be intellegent because we can talk, reason etc; and this is why we are superior to animals. Animals are intelligent quite ok but the errors that humans make their way of thinking and reasoning are unbelievable. The idea behind filling the world with people is so that we can all get along, work together and use our intelligence to improve the world
Colin (Tameside), on 05/06/2008 at 14:39
Meryl wrote:
I think there are far too many people on this overpopulated planet of ours. We should adopt a policy like China and just allow one child per household. We have drained most of the earths resources, petrol, water, trees, crops, now prices are rocketing, property is in decline, we still build more for more people to live in and we accept people into this country so easily and they feed off our benefit system, the NHS can not afford to deal with the load. Have a thought for a moment, we are human beings living in this world, we govern all that happens to this planet, species are getting extinct due to our actions, countryside is diminishing, petrol is running out, prices going up, fuel prices going up, food prices going up, everything is going up but not wages! So what are we to do? We cant blame Gordon Brown for everything can we - even he is human after all. We are all responsible for acting appropriately, recycle, behave, educate each other, develop better policing, better society equals better country. So the rest is down to us all. Finally anti- social behaviour is a key factor we must all consider today, we should reintroduce discipline back into schools give the teachers the power to discipline in the appropriate way, some children seem to think they can do what they want to day, gang wars are building more and more, killing innocent people and for what? We need action - we can call our government to address these worrying facts but we want it immediately!
Ponder this
Last year I went on a Caribbean cruise, and before you jump down my neck I worked hard for it, having never been unemployed in the 39 years since I left school. On board were a family, man, wife and five unruly ferral kids. My first encounter, they were in the cabin next door to me, was to hear them verbally abusing staff, because they wouldn't give them a free upgrade to a bigger cabin. The parents spent all holiday in the bars, continually worse for wear. whilst their kids ran wild abusing staff and passengers accordingly. At the end of the holiday, they were in the bar bragging that the holiday had been entirely funded from the benefits they receive for their kids, he was quite happy to divulge he hadn't worked since leaving school, but the killer was when he leaned over to his wife and said, "Lets do this again next year" and she replied that to afford it she would really have to get pregnant again
Meryl (West Lancashire), on 05/06/2008 at 14:25
I think there are far too many people on this overpopulated planet of ours. We should adopt a policy like China and just allow one child per household. We have drained most of the earths resources, petrol, water, trees, crops, now prices are rocketing, property is in decline, we still build more for more people to live in and we accept people into this country so easily and they feed off our benefit system, the NHS can not afford to deal with the load. Have a thought for a moment, we are human beings living in this world, we govern all that happens to this planet, species are getting extinct due to our actions, countryside is diminishing, petrol is running out, prices going up, fuel prices going up, food prices going up, everything is going up but not wages! So what are we to do? We cant blame Gordon Brown for everything can we - even he is human after all. We are all responsible for acting appropriately, recycle, behave, educate each other, develop better policing, better society equals better country. So the rest is down to us all. Finally anti- social behaviour is a key factor we must all consider today, we should reintroduce discipline back into schools give the teachers the power to discipline in the appropriate way, some children seem to think they can do what they want to day, gang wars are building more and more, killing innocent people and for what? We need action - we can call our government to address these worrying facts but we want it immediately!
Mel68 (West Lancashire), on 05/06/2008 at 14:15
My thoughts are that there are just too many people in this small world of ours perhaps we should adopt a system like China and only allow ppl living in the UK to have one child per couple. We need to reduce numbers on the planet earth or we will have no resources left. Petrol being one very very crucial factor at this moment in time. Countryside is going more and more to build homes, we wont have any where to go! Also jobs and life today are much too stressful than they used to be, and everything is accountable for. Food prices are now going up and I wonder what we are all doing to our world, will it last? Thats the big question that came remain to be seen. We are human beings and are accountable for our actions so act now not later. Recycle as much as you can tooo!
Rory (Reigate and Banstead), on 24/05/2008 at 17:38
Why should any of us have to pay for other people to breed kids? In the last 50 years the population has gone from 2.5 billion to 6.7 billion - not exactly short of kids are we!!!! If you want kids then you should have to pay for them yourself and stop stealing off the rest of us. You're doing enough damage to the planet and to every other species of life with your selfish indulgence of recreating yourself ( several times over no doubt!) and then the rest of us have to pay for the environmental damage you casue as well as pay you to casue it in the first place!!!! If you can't afford kids - without any state aid at all - you should not have them. By the laws of God and Nature - very convieniently excluded from our city led cultures - if you were not able to create your own wealth to survive you would perish, with so many people on the planet and perhaps we should go back to the sane ways of God and Nature! How dare you whinge about how tough it is on benefits - you're alive aren't you, so say thank you to thoes of us who pay the bill! At least we do - niether God not Nature would!
Anon (Lambeth), on 23/04/2008 at 23:27
Anon wrote:
Anon wrote:
Julia wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Wonder about this for a moment if you will. My son is 3 years into his Electricians Apprenticeship. He works from 6am often to 7 or 8pm. He can just about manage to pay the bills and keep his work van on the road. Yet his friend who contributes not a thing to society just moved with her baby from a pretty decent council house in Bath to a brand new council house in Bath. She being 23 years old with a child. She is perfectly healthy and able to work. Where is the incentive for her to do anything but use the benefits system indefinitely to survive. I am not blaming her. I am blaming the system. Why should hard working people pay for other people to live. People who take, take, take! It's a total joke the way this country is organised.
How lucky are you to have absolutely no understanding of what it is like to have no choice or options for yourself or your children. I hope you never find yourself in the situation where you need help from this state. It is not pleasant, they don't just give it away. You are treated like a 3rd class citizen, you lose all sense of privacy and dignity. Childcare provision is severely lacking, benefits are cut for no reason on a regular basis. You are interrogated about your financial and private life. You have no choice but to accept housing in any condition, no choice over who you share your neighbourhood with, often pay the highest rates for services such as electricity (council houses are built with the most cost efficient materials for builders not residents). Unable to obtain quick efficient services or repairs - e.g. communal area cleaners, broken door locks.
Congratulations to your son on obtaining an apprenticeship. I am quite happy to have paid for his education and healthcare. I wonder if he will charge the exorbitant prices commanded by electricians when he qualifies? Hope he pays his taxes.
Having debated this topic with a friend since (following my comments below), I would like to add my opinion further, & hopefully it’ll be interesting reading for others - whether you agree or not?!
OK, my views on this, there’s only one certainty in life & that is we all die. Everything else is an uncertainty, so at the v.least there’s an Outcome A or an Outcome B, therefore which presents at least 2 options hence a choice to make. It doesn’t mean that the options might be ideal & of course you have to work within whatever applicable constraints. BIT that applies to Everyone & Everything!!!
I think what people fail to underst& is that ultimately we are all accountable for ourselves. When you’re transferring that accountability to someone else, then of course that creates added uncertainties & lesser options. But I think that’s blatantly obvious, & what do you expect?! The Analogy having your cake & eat it is fine BUT when it’s free cake, to then complain that it’s Tesco’s Value & you’re not happy because you want a free choice selection from M&S Luxury & Waitrose – now I think that’s a bit bloody cheeky! :)
If people open their eyes & look around the world, it puts into context just how ludicrous such excuses are! All around the world people have children who are a million miles off being financially secure BUT many do because they didn’t have contraception (nor education), but still they get on with it e.g. walk for miles to the closest towns, buying/selling whatever...
Cont. ..buying/selling whatever bric-a-brac they can, to make just a few cents/$ in order to feed & clothe their children, etc etc. I have absolute empathy.
THIS COUNTRY presents you with some of the best basic options available- a free education system, free NHS, free contraception, etc etc – all perfect to build on - BUT IF YOU choose not to utilize such like, or choose to make certain decisions (& which may subsequently limit your options in other respects) then that was YOUR choice. The outcome is likely to correspond to the decisions you took! But the great thing is, these free resources remain available, so whatever you may have missed out on first time round, you always have an opportunity to try & achieve later, if you really want to! THERE REALLY ARE NO EXCUSES!!!
Life is hard, everything has an element of risk attached to it, often things don’t go to plan even with your best endeavors BUT you deal with it & do what needs to be done! We’re not living in some Third World/ War-torn country so hardship should only ever be temporary - that is if you take ownership of yourself (& your obligations) in terms of finding resolutions. It may involve hard work for a while (a novice concept to many I know!) but effort = rewards.
Essentially everything results from something that we either Did or Did Not do! So going back to the badly-done-by-on-benefits discussion…
Scenario 1, Jill decides to have a child (despite unable to pay for that child’s upbringing) -
Cont.2 - so her option is that she will live off Benefits & take whatever state support is available (which may be sub-st&ard) but that’s her choice - she chose to have that child, bearing in mind what her options were. Her choice…
In a worst case scenario - where you can definitely say life was bloody unfair - Scenario 2, Jack & Jill meet, fall in love, get married, decide to have a child, a year later Jack returns from the Office Xmas party & declares he’s met Ms Muffet & he’s leaving! Ok undeniably that’s pretty sh*t!! but still Jill’s equally accountable to a certain degree (after all she married the tw*t & had a child – & so she has responsibilities now) So what does that mean, Option 1, she gets to keep the house so she has some security & which presents her with options in terms of going forwards. Ok, so they didn’t own a house - one can argue why start a family when you clearly can’t even afford to house yourselves?? Argument 2, they didn’t think owning a property was that important, having children was more important, so fine crack on, it’s going to be hard for a while on her own & having to live somewhere which isn’t exactly ideal BUT it’s Free & at least she’s been blessed enough to have children which was what she wanted, & lucky to have that state support too as an option, & she can look to the future & at ways of getting back on track! So really, it’s all good!
For every ‘no can do’/excuse, there is an option/solution - that is if you look & try hard enough & take accountability for yourself!!! Unfortunately many people take for granted whatever they do get for free & furthermore even have the audacity to then complain about such privileges! You talk about sh*tty Council houses & sh*tty neighbours etc etc (My area is from great & I paid a quarter of a Mil.£ for the privilege!!) so I’m more justified than you to be resentful But yet I’m not, neither of us are that badly done by if you think again, think what if you had a corrugated iron shanty-town of a house? But as it happens, you will find that those who do, they’re arel v.proud, & go out day in & day out to try & earn whatever they can for themselves & their families!!
I just cannot find a single excuse that could not be challenged here, not in this Country. I could go on & on… So you can’t get a good job, why not, you don’t have the qualifications, who’s fault, yours, But never mind you can still do something about it, work towards getting them!. You can’t work, why not, cos you’ve got little kids to look after, who’s fault, yours, But chose to have kids (when clearly not self-sufficient), but no worries, be happy, just do the best you can for them, & also look at doing something about it in terms of improving your lives, etc etc.
There are always choices - you either take the ‘then available options’ temporarily & work towards creating new options OR you simply choose to accept the existing as your life - because the alternate requires just a bit too much effort! Harsh words but true!!
I worked v. hard, had to make many compromises along the way & I still am, all in order to get where I am. So I work hard to earn good money but on the flipside, I pay 40% Tax I don’t like it (it’s bloody unfair - not exactly considered a privilege after working so hard) BUT I don’t complain, it’s just a fact i.e. if you earn x amount, you have to h& over almost half of your earnings! C’est la vie!! But should I decide actually that’s pretty pants & I really don’t want that, then I’ll just have to do something about it i.e. make happen whatever I consider is then more important to me. That’s up to me. & exactly the same principle applies to you & every person. As to how good your life is - that’s totally up to you!! Anyone - feel free to convince me otherwise…
Anyway that’s my little rant over with! :) I do love my flat, little it may be BUT it’s so cute & it’s mine, all mine!! :)
Anon (Lambeth), on 23/04/2008 at 23:23
Anon wrote:
Julia wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Wonder about this for a moment if you will. My son is 3 years into his Electricians Apprenticeship. He works from 6am often to 7 or 8pm. He can just about manage to pay the bills and keep his work van on the road. Yet his friend who contributes not a thing to society just moved with her baby from a pretty decent council house in Bath to a brand new council house in Bath. She being 23 years old with a child. She is perfectly healthy and able to work. Where is the incentive for her to do anything but use the benefits system indefinitely to survive. I am not blaming her. I am blaming the system. Why should hard working people pay for other people to live. People who take, take, take! It's a total joke the way this country is organised.
How lucky are you to have absolutely no understanding of what it is like to have no choice or options for yourself or your children. I hope you never find yourself in the situation where you need help from this state. It is not pleasant, they don't just give it away. You are treated like a 3rd class citizen, you lose all sense of privacy and dignity. Childcare provision is severely lacking, benefits are cut for no reason on a regular basis. You are interrogated about your financial and private life. You have no choice but to accept housing in any condition, no choice over who you share your neighbourhood with, often pay the highest rates for services such as electricity (council houses are built with the most cost efficient materials for builders not residents). Unable to obtain quick efficient services or repairs - e.g. communal area cleaners, broken door locks.
Congratulations to your son on obtaining an apprenticeship. I am quite happy to have paid for his education and healthcare. I wonder if he will charge the exorbitant prices commanded by electricians when he qualifies? Hope he pays his taxes.
Having debated this topic with a friend since (following my comments below), I would like to add my opinion further, & hopefully it’ll be interesting reading for others - whether you agree or not?!
OK, my views on this, there’s only one certainty in life & that is we all die. Everything else is an uncertainty, so at the v.least there’s an Outcome A or an Outcome B, therefore which presents at least 2 options hence a choice to make. It doesn’t mean that the options might be ideal & of course you have to work within whatever applicable constraints. BIT that applies to Everyone & Everything!!!
I think what people fail to underst& is that ultimately we are all accountable for ourselves. When you’re transferring that accountability to someone else, then of course that creates added uncertainties & lesser options. But I think that’s blatantly obvious, & what do you expect?! The Analogy having your cake & eat it is fine BUT when it’s free cake, to then complain that it’s Tesco’s Value & you’re not happy because you want a free choice selection from M&S Luxury & Waitrose – now I think that’s a bit bloody cheeky! :)
If people open their eyes & look around the world, it puts into context just how ludicrous such excuses are! All around the world people have children who are a million miles off being financially secure BUT many do because they didn’t have contraception (nor education), but still they get on with it e.g. walk for miles to the closest towns, buying/selling whatever...
Cont. ..buying/selling whatever bric-a-brac they can, to make just a few cents/$ in order to feed & clothe their children, etc etc. I have absolute empathy.
THIS COUNTRY presents you with some of the best basic options available- a free education system, free NHS, free contraception, etc etc – all perfect to build on - BUT IF YOU choose not to utilize such like, or choose to make certain decisions (& which may subsequently limit your options in other respects) then that was YOUR choice. The outcome is likely to correspond to the decisions you took! But the great thing is, these free resources remain available, so whatever you may have missed out on first time round, you always have an opportunity to try & achieve later, if you really want to! THERE REALLY ARE NO EXCUSES!!!
Life is hard, everything has an element of risk attached to it, often things don’t go to plan even with your best endeavors BUT you deal with it & do what needs to be done! We’re not living in some Third World/ War-torn country so hardship should only ever be temporary - that is if you take ownership of yourself (& your obligations) in terms of finding resolutions. It may involve hard work for a while (a novice concept to many I know!) but effort = rewards.
Essentially everything results from something that we either Did or Did Not do! So going back to the badly-done-by-on-benefits discussion…
Scenario 1, Jill decides to have a child (despite unable to pay for that child’s upbringing) -
Anon (Lambeth), on 23/04/2008 at 23:21
Julia wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Wonder about this for a moment if you will. My son is 3 years into his Electricians Apprenticeship. He works from 6am often to 7 or 8pm. He can just about manage to pay the bills and keep his work van on the road. Yet his friend who contributes not a thing to society just moved with her baby from a pretty decent council house in Bath to a brand new council house in Bath. She being 23 years old with a child. She is perfectly healthy and able to work. Where is the incentive for her to do anything but use the benefits system indefinitely to survive. I am not blaming her. I am blaming the system. Why should hard working people pay for other people to live. People who take, take, take! It's a total joke the way this country is organised.
How lucky are you to have absolutely no understanding of what it is like to have no choice or options for yourself or your children. I hope you never find yourself in the situation where you need help from this state. It is not pleasant, they don't just give it away. You are treated like a 3rd class citizen, you lose all sense of privacy and dignity. Childcare provision is severely lacking, benefits are cut for no reason on a regular basis. You are interrogated about your financial and private life. You have no choice but to accept housing in any condition, no choice over who you share your neighbourhood with, often pay the highest rates for services such as electricity (council houses are built with the most cost efficient materials for builders not residents). Unable to obtain quick efficient services or repairs - e.g. communal area cleaners, broken door locks.
Congratulations to your son on obtaining an apprenticeship. I am quite happy to have paid for his education and healthcare. I wonder if he will charge the exorbitant prices commanded by electricians when he qualifies? Hope he pays his taxes.
Having debated this topic with a friend since (following my comments below), I would like to add my opinion further, & hopefully it’ll be interesting reading for others - whether you agree or not?!
OK, my views on this, there’s only one certainty in life & that is we all die. Everything else is an uncertainty, so at the v.least there’s an Outcome A or an Outcome B, therefore which presents at least 2 options hence a choice to make. It doesn’t mean that the options might be ideal & of course you have to work within whatever applicable constraints. BIT that applies to Everyone & Everything!!!
I think what people fail to underst& is that ultimately we are all accountable for ourselves. When you’re transferring that accountability to someone else, then of course that creates added uncertainties & lesser options. But I think that’s blatantly obvious, & what do you expect?! The Analogy having your cake & eat it is fine BUT when it’s free cake, to then complain that it’s Tesco’s Value & you’re not happy because you want a free choice selection from M&S Luxury & Waitrose – now I think that’s a bit bloody cheeky! :)
If people open their eyes & look around the world, it puts into context just how ludicrous such excuses are! All around the world people have children who are a million miles off being financially secure BUT many do because they didn’t have contraception (nor education), but still they get on with it e.g. walk for miles to the closest towns, buying/selling whatever...
Anon (Lambeth), on 22/04/2008 at 16:53
Julia wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Wonder about this for a moment if you will. My son is 3 years into his Electricians Apprenticeship. He works from 6am often to 7 or 8pm. He can just about manage to pay the bills and keep his work van on the road. Yet his friend who contributes not a thing to society just moved with her baby from a pretty decent council house in Bath to a brand new council house in Bath. She being 23 years old with a child. She is perfectly healthy and able to work. Where is the incentive for her to do anything but use the benefits system indefinitely to survive. I am not blaming her. I am blaming the system. Why should hard working people pay for other people to live. People who take, take, take! It's a total joke the way this country is organised.
How lucky are you to have absolutely no understanding of what it is like to have no choice or options for yourself or your children. I hope you never find yourself in the situation where you need help from this state. It is not pleasant, they don't just give it away. You are treated like a 3rd class citizen, you lose all sense of privacy and dignity. Childcare provision is severely lacking, benefits are cut for no reason on a regular basis. You are interrogated about your financial and private life. You have no choice but to accept housing in any condition, no choice over who you share your neighbourhood with, often pay the highest rates for services such as electricity (council houses are built with the most cost efficient materials for builders not residents). Unable to obtain quick efficient services or repairs - e.g. communal area cleaners, broken door locks.
Congratulations to your son on obtaining an apprenticeship. I am quite happy to have paid for his education and healthcare. I wonder if he will charge the exorbitant prices commanded by electricians when he qualifies? Hope he pays his taxes.
Interesting reading. I feel compelled to make a comment too. Unfortunately I disagree as much in that I do believe EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE. An example, despite a very difficult life, I decided to better myself & took myself through education working 3 part-time jobs at a time in order to do so. Then it took a decade to pay off my university fees & renting for over 15 years before getting to where I am now, affording my tiny little London pad. I now do well, though the definition of doing well is questionable as I can work >15hrs a day and after paying the mortgage & cost of living, living on my own in London, I break even! But that’s my choice. I am in my late 30s and would love to have children but can’t consider this as it would mean I wouldn’t be able to accept work and who would pay my mortgage? I choose to own a flat so that means I may end up missing out on something else that is equally v. important to me. But it could be said that only I would be to blame. Everyone has a choice, to create options and make things happen. So in the example below, the lady chose to go ahead & have a child despite she [&/or her partner] not being able to afford a family but accepting that they would live in a perhaps not so nice Council House & live off Benefits. In my opinion, that’s a choice..
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